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Kelly Ann Cartwright's avatar

Wise words as always, Jennie. I'd like to add 2 personal examples to augment one of your tips (*do not allow them to walk you to your car*), the importance of which may easily go underestimated.

Regardless of whether you are parked in a populated area or not (and I agree we 100% always should be), it's always important to say no to the offer to be walked to our car.

I have three times been assaulted at my car door on a first date in populated areas by a guy moving in unsolicited, grabbing me and shoving his tongue in my mouth. The first was a guy I met on a dating app (with me being parked in an area that had been populated when I arrived but that was somewhat deserted upon my return; extra scary, even though it was still daylight). The other two were men I had known informally IRL for 6 months prior to them asking me out, so my guard was down with them, which is why I let them walk me to my car (in a busy parking lot, in daylight) despite my past negative experience.

So I learned the lesson the hard way. I always walk to my car on my own now on the first date (or longer if it's truly a stranger), no matter how safe I feel or my past experience with a person if ti's someone I've known for a while IRL.

This said, letting a guy walk you to your car is also unsafe for another important reason: Your car has a license plate that is attached to your full name and home address. Even if most people (at least here in Canada, where I live) don't have access to the license plate database, some do and, if they are predatory, are not likely to announce that fact to you.

Alison Jeffries's avatar

Thanks for posting this.

For me, it also opens a debate I’ve been longing to see, but I know wouldn’t happen in Facebook. I hope it can happen here.

I’m learning tons from BHDM and RIRL, but I’m not 100% aligned as I’m NOT looking for a long-term monogamous relationship. Fresh out of a divorce, I’m looking forward to independence and ideally NOT sharing my lovely clean home with a man.

I’m trying to apply BDHM principles but am more welcoming of early conversations about sex.

Conversations including sex can be rhetorically interesting in their own right. I bet we could easily find rhetorical patterns which would help us B2B the red flags without burning all of them under a carpet bomb. (And yes, I do think most would still get burned).

I’m just hopeful that ethical casual relationships ARE possible.

I still find it very helpful to be in the group, and for clarity, I have no complaints about Jenny’s focus not matching my exact relationship ideals 😂

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